Andres
User ID: 1543764 |
Jul 15th 7:05 PM
I was prowling EBay and found this
for sale:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=893986979
And it knocked me out. I had no idea that Selmer did this with
VI's (I thought it started with the SA80 series).
Does anyone know
if this is a one-of-a-kind or not? |
Brice B.
User ID: 0763414 |
Jul 15th 8:15 PM
I passed out for about an hour, too.
wow. Can't imagine what that thing must be worth. I wonder if it's one of
a kind? wow. |
lookinforasax
User ID: 9461303 |
Jul 15th 9:02 PM
its gonna go for $5000...thats my
guess!
Brian |
AG
User ID: 9892733 |
Jul 15th 11:41 PM
It may have been a custom special
order for someone.....1st black lacquered VI I've ever seen or heard of
that's a "factory original". |
mostly alto guy
User ID: 0122954 |
Jul 16th 1:29 AM
What it doesn't play well or sound
good. I admit it's a surprising looking horn, but worth 5 grand? Even if
it's the only original blaclac MK VI in the world (which is unlikely since
so many VIs were made), it's still unknown how it plays.
But
someone proably will pay $4,500 or more, without ever blowing a note on
it. |
AG
User ID: 9892733 |
Jul 16th 5:19 AM
Collectors will be skeptical without
proof of authenticity........has anyone else ever heard about a VI that
came new with factory black lacquer? Gold lacquer or silver and gold plate
is all I've ever seen or knew of. |
lookinforasax
User ID: 9461303 |
Jul 16th 10:25 AM
mostly alto guy: thats excatly what
i was thinking. WHo kares how it plays..when it COULD be a valuable
collectors item??!?!?!
Brian |
Steve Goodson
User ID: 0067194 |
Jul 16th 12:02 PM
I never saw one in black lacquer,
but that of course does not mean that they don't exist. I would require
absolute proof (sales receipt specifying the finish or original catalog
listing such an option) before I would believe it. I've seen a number of
them done up in various colors. |
Tom
User ID: 1112324 |
Jul 16th 8:48 PM
I'm not an expert. I looked at the
digital photos scrupulously. I wonder if someone didn't take an unengraved
Tenor, have it stripped, lacquered in black, then engraved with Selmer
style engraving. I will have to say however, that the engraving looks very
'factory'. This does go against my conjecture. The keys look so good that
it seems like they might be gold plated instead of lacquered brass.
If it is a fake, it is a VERY well done one. If it is a factory
black lacquer horn, it is the first and only one I have ever even heard
of, let alone seen digital photos of. |
lookinforasax
User ID: 0296604 |
Jul 16th 8:59 PM
tom...since the keys look almost
brand new, they have either been taken kare of very very well, or never
been touched (or played). I highly doubt a person would get this specific
saxophone and wouldnt play it!!
The engraving does look very
"factory" (in your words), and i think it is the real thing.
Brian
|
Steve Goodson
User ID: 0067194 |
Jul 17th 7:24 AM
I know of a number of engravers
(including one who was formerly the engraver at Selmer in Elkhart) who can
easily duplicate or recut original engraving. I'd have to see some
paperwork to believe this is original. |
mostly alto guy
User ID: 0122954 |
Jul 17th 3:45 PM
If it is a genuine and documented
original blaclac, I'm AMAZED that it could be for sale. How many of you
guys would sell it if it were yours? I wouldn't let it go for anything
less than twice the going rate for lacquer models, and then only if I was
being chased down by a laon shark or something. And I don't even
particularly like MK VIs. One more thing--what other original blaclac
horns have you seen from this date, from any maker? |
lookinforasax
User ID: 0296604 |
Jul 18th 2:50 PM
in the 4th picture fomr the bottom,
the one taking a pic of the bottom\back...look in the very middle. Does it
not look like there WAS engraving there?? Could a re-engraver have
"missed", when he\she was re-engraving the sax?
Brian
|
beezer
User ID: 2261164 |
Jul 18th 4:04 PM
I'm with Steve Goodson and lookin on
this one. I don't think the engraving looks original. It looks clumsy.
There's definitely signs of old engraving under the new on some of the
pics. I'd want Henri's signature on the provenance for this one.
Cheers, Dave |
lookinforasax
User ID: 0296604 |
Jul 18th 5:36 PM
so that "old engraving" under where
the bell separates from the body is real? kool...didnt think i was right!
Brian |
rhino004
User ID: 0875014 |
Jul 19th 5:29 PM
KRYLON comes to mind.....!
|
GaryL
User ID: 9565813 |
Jul 19th 11:26 PM
An unengraved horn from Europe or
Canada, stripped, black lacquered, then engraved for the FIRST time would
work too, wouldn't it?
Remember Hitler's Diaries that showed up a
few years back? Spoofs, hoaxes, and frauds are not new, at least to
observant people who have memory and a few years under their hat. I have
never seen an original black lacquer MVI, nor even heard of one until now.
Until this has been examined by a trusted expert, such as Paul Coats, I
remain fully skeptical of this saxophone. |
Peter
User ID: 9447203 |
Jul 20th 3:10 PM
Plz keep in mind that the Dutch
seller is a well known and recognized seller and repairman of saxophones.
Not to say he's the best in Holland beside 2 or 3 other.
I travelled
about 400 km (200km up and 200km down) to let him completly overhaul my
Martin Handcraft Tenor at his shop and I'm not alone. I don't trust any
other repairshop beside the 2 or 3 I mentioned.
I have no doubt that
the Mk 6 is original.
|
T.S.
User ID: 8882983 |
Jul 20th 6:30 PM
Selmer did experiment with different
colored lacquers for a very short time in the 60's.(I think mid-sixties,
but I could be in error there) Dexter Gordon had a Lavender factory
painted VI that is now owned by a Danish player. I don't know how many
different colors were tried, but my understanding is that there were very
few horns finished this way. |
Paul C.
User ID: 0534004 |
Jul 20th 8:39 PM
As a teenager, in the late '60's, I
wore out about half a dozen Selmer sax catalogs/price lists, from carrying
them around in my back pocket, drooling over the horns at every
opportunity. I can say that black lacquer was not offered by Selmer, and
in fact was unheard of in those days.
The Mk VI was offered in
gold lacquer, silver plate, gold plate, and yes, even nickel plate. The
plated finishes were available only on special order. Price of nickel and
silver were printed. Gold plate varied, and was a "Price on Request" item.
NO black lacquer was listed, I can assure you.
By the time I was
in college, about 1973, a friend had returned from a trip to Europe. There
he saw a red lacquered saxophone in a jazz club. So, apparently colored
lacquer was at least known in Europe at that time.
I have no idea
if the factory offered colored lacquers. If so, they did not do it in the
US.
From my look at the pictures, I see lots of places where the
engraving was not recut, filled with the blue. It is obvious the blue or
black was not the original lacquer, but applied sometime after it left the
factory.
Ho hum. |
